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 Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?

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MessageSujet: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Jeu Mar 14, 2013 5:58 pm

Hi!
Please give your opinion on the release of the data, the Persian and Turkish market on the watch, according to list of names, the year is specified as - 1784?. But, looking at some of the samples in the network, it is learned that the hours were produced in the mid-19th century ... An interesting inscription on the mechanism of a clock - الدين ال - فتح, of course, she stylized ornament, but actually sounds like - al-Din al-fуtua. Number on the mechanism of a clock - 67,139. Number on the case - 439. Master list of names on the inside of the watch - WCS - William Champion,? (up to 1789)
But, without the leopard's head crown corresponds to the time after 1821, and specifically in 1824? ... So all the same - it 1784 or 1824? We see that the watch Hallmarks after 1821, as evidenced by no crowned head of a leopard. Maybe that will clarify the detailed examination of the mechanism by pilasters it looks in the year 1750-1780, the bridge 1800 ... Or is it still in 1864 do not understand ..

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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Jeu Mar 14, 2013 11:32 pm

Hello Andrey70,

You have an another hallmarks on the pendant. and under the i.
If the numbers are different between the box and the mouvement, I think that it's not the good box, but I'am not sure. Mad
I have observe the hallmarks and I think too, that it's not good, because for 1824, you should be have this { under the hallmarks (lion, and i) and I don't see this.
I have not found the year corresponding Rolling Eyes
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Where are you find 1784, I don't see.
It's a agree with you, for the watch made in london for the turkish market. The mouvement is probably made in 1780, but I'm not sure, admin can confirm the date.
For William CHAMPION, I would have to look in my books.
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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Ven Mar 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Hi, Frank272,
Yes, unfortunately differ .. I think this is a bad sign. Perhaps this comes from different parts.
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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Jeu Mar 21, 2013 9:58 am

I find 2 RALPH in my book

Richard London 1736
James London 1796
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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Sam Mar 23, 2013 4:39 am

Many thanks, dear Frank272
Apparently, these watches are made after 1820...
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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Sam Mar 23, 2013 3:24 pm

Hi, the case is from 1861 I think, but the movement looks older... around 1800.

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MessageSujet: Re: Ralph Gout London, 1784 or 1824?   Jeu Mai 02, 2013 6:00 am

Many thanks, dear friend!
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